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ahonestsearch

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wetnwild600

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Reply to: You make assumptions about me that are incorrect. And I think you come to that...
Lol. I don't hate men. I don't hate anyone. I hate behavior sometimes, but not people. The worst experience I've had with a man was my own father but overall, I've had pretty good experiences with men. I don't see that I always write negative about guys, nor about women. You're the kind of guy I avoid. When you disagree with me you make a personal attack. You make everything I say about you. You got busy "pushing my buttons" by publicly insulting my intelligence and then you tried to make up for it by privately flattering my intelligence as if I'm so easily manipulated. If I were insecure, I might have felt bad and needed your apology and then felt grateful for the flattery, but I'm not.

No, I haven't seen you disagree with Jem much. I really don't care about that, it was just an observation. You appear to want her positive regard very much. I still think it's funny and pathetic, I'm entitled to think that.

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wetnwild600

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Reply to: your the one bitching about men. so its you who have the problem. I am an emoti...
I was not the one bitching about men. I have stated my observations of their behavior but truly I don't feel that critical of it. It is what it is and unless a man mistreats me, I don't have any problem.

I'd really like to see how I've been bashing men. Please show me.

Like I said, I've known a lot of men who treated me well, who were emotionally developed, who I respect and admire, and many I love very deeply for different reasons. My best friend in the world is my brother. I have a male therapist and quite a few close male friends. I see how they struggle to articulate their feelings, how to express them in a healthy way, how to feel like men and still embrace their emotional selves. It's all a process, that was my point. It's an individual process as well as a cultural process, it takes time and it's difficult.

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jem1987

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I think learning how to process their emotions is the most important part. I've learned that myself. I'm not a very emotional person, so because of that, sometimes I don't always know how to deal with them. It's not that no one showed me, it's just that I haven't gotten enough practice I guess lol. I wonder if that's how guys feel about it? It's a thought. I'd prefer not to be with someone who is very emotional. Been there, done that, hated it lol. But a guy who isn't super emotional, but still is able to process the emotions when they do come, THAT would be my ideal.

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wetnwild600

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Reply to: If you really dont care about my agreeing with Jem then why mention it at all. ...
I didn't bring up your agreement with Jem, someone else did and I was just commenting. I have no obsession. What is said on here is anyone's business who cares to read it.

I have no wish to control anyone. I'm not shy about expressing disagreement or dislike. I poke fun at people sometimes, but I'm not trying to hurt anyone. If I have, I am sincerely sorry for it.

Once again, you do the same thing to me that you accuse me of doing. You make assumptions about me when you don't know me. Go ahead and do that. But please do not come back and apologize. You act like a child and you are manipulative and you'd better believe I don't want guys like you in my life.

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wetnwild600

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Reply to: With your attitude on men on here, its no wonder you get any men in your life. ...
The men on here have experienced a different attitude from me than you have, but you don't see it. Unfortunately, many of the guys who comment on these forums are a lot like you, so I don't get a lot of opportunities to express support for the MEN. I'm fully aware of how my experiences with my father have shaped how I see myself, the world and my relationships with members of the male gender. I've spent years working with that. At no time have I ever had a problem attracting men or having them want to be in my life.

If you really read all my posts, you'd see that I get argumentative with guys who exhibit misogynistic attitudes toward women or otherwise disrespect them, and women who have seemed to support that behavior, not with everyone who has a differing point of view. If you really read my posts, you'd see there are a few MEN I get along with quite well and that I've said quite a few things that are complimentary of MEN. If you really read the post on this thread that you first replied to, you'd see that I was disagreeing with a woman on here who I both respect and admire.

It might be true I dislike opinions that disagree with mine, I'll have to think about that. I never thought about liking or disliking them, just what my thoughts are about them. I think you see too much of what I've said as critical when it's simply observational, but whatever. Men and women are different. I try to understand the how and the why because I'm analytical and I look forward to input from people who think about the same things. I've said several times that not all men are a certain way and I try to approach every individual as an individual. You do not impress me. I realize that isn't important to you, I'm just saying that my attitude toward you and a few others on here is not indicative of my attitude toward MEN in general.

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lianapet

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This is unfuckingbelievable!

Fi rst of all...It was I who brought this mess up and it was based on the comment I posted in reply to your(Ahonestsearch) immediate agreement with Jem.

Jem then addressed me and asked why it bothers me...and I replied to her.

Wetnwild then addressed me and Jem in regards to our little tiff, which I instigated with my sarcastic post in reply to your umpteenth agreement with Jem.

Wetnwild basically attempted to clear the air and maybe try to explain to both me and Jem why we might view each others posts the way we are...well it was the way I specifically took exception to the line of wagging tongues and blind agreements to anything Jem states.

The conversation was pretty short and it simply ended with me conceding that I might just be old and cranky.

And now this?

The biggest problem I see here is a complete lack of reading comprehension and inability to follow who made the original comments, who responded and who piped in...

Ahonestsearch...i t was I who started all this, not Wet...
Wet does not hate men....there is a possibility I might, even though I personally see it more as frustration at how many times I have been befuddled by their behaviors.
It was I who felt that regardless of what I might have stated in terms of how men treat women, Jem seemed to take the men's side and simply make a comment that it was women who allowed men to treat them that way, due to sleeping with them too quickly or not having any self respect or that it is actually the men who are mistreated by women...all statements which I perceived to be made as a way to gain approval from men...to which Jem posted the contrary..and I conceded.

We have privately established that you don't understand sarcasm and you and I sort of already addressed this issue, so I am confused as to why the need to go after Wet...


Bottom line: Jem (and she will be surprised to see this), and I for the most part tend to get along better with men. Men are less emotional, whereas women tend to be more malicious and attack on an emotional level. There is jealousy that comes from women some of which can be perceived as coming from me towards Jem based on the men on here who seem to agree with everything she says. Ironically, I do know where she is coming from as I believe women have created a lot of the issues younger generations are dealing with in terms of men not really being men anymore. We're confusing them...we communicate so much they don't know whether they're coming or going...BUT I tend to take offense if I post a question as I did on this thread asking about behavior and I perceived a woman responding in a way which basically implied that it might be due to a lack of self respect coming from a woman that might make men behave the way I was inquiring about...in terms of loneliness during the holidays considering a failed attempt to date in prior months and my refusal to sleep with them....so my question was...Has any other woman had men come out of the woodwork at the holiday season and could it be that they're still hoping they may get laid trying to ride the coattails of holiday loneliness.

(Holy fuck! I just re-read this....can anyone say "run-on sentence"...take breaths at your own leasure cause I am not going to fix this outside of admitting that I ran out of breath trying to re-read it...good luck! lmao!)

I tend to lose people when I type so much so I am hoping whomever reads this...or at least the people involved will take the time and comprehend what I am writing and maybe ask before they start calling other people names and blaming them for shit that they didn't even do to begin with.

I am accesible, and I have no problem explaining myself, defending myself and taking the wrath I might bring onto myself if I am being particularly cranky, old, jealous or just generally pms'ing......

Phew!

Clear as mud now?

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lianapet

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Reply to: Hey wet You're a man hater. ya cant complain about men not meeting your needs a...
Uhm....Hello?

You think this is being sarcastic and funny?
Why are you still addressing Wet when I wrote you?
Why is her Master's a problem for you?
How can she be smart and dumb at the same time?

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Carina

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jem1987

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Men don't hate intelligent women. Little boys do, lol.

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wetnwild600

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I don't think he hates me because I'm intelligent. I think he hates me because I believe his vitriol is more sincere than his over-the-top compliments and neither of those tactics gets under my skin the way he wants. He hates me because he's made himself look foolish and I've had the audacity to find it amusing. I think he also hates me because I don't like him and he doesn't see that I've been trying to treat him with respect regardless. Explaining my POV and giving an honest (notice the grammar: AN HONEST) description of how I've experienced him is my attempt to treat him how I'd want to be treated. My experience of him is not flattering. But then, he's treated me in a similar manner if I choose to take his responses in that way.

I think the difference is that just because I don't like him and I don't give his opinions of me much weight, I don't wish him ill. I would like it if he could at least attack me by making valid points or sticking to how he perceives me and I would like it if he didn't constantly accuse me of doing things that he's doing, but he doesn't need my approval or admiration to be who he is and my hope is that he finds his bliss... far away from me.

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ahonestsearch

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Reply to: This is unfuckingbelievable! First of all...It was I who brought this mess up ...
lotsa mud here, but its clear...I guess.

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baroni_eu

Joined: 10/7/2012

I havent got any message from anyone yet on this site, am I so ugly? for sure i am so lonely

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