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+Revolucciona+

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Just wanted to put this topic out here...Do you support Capital Punishment? Why or why not?

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cutiepie007

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From the society that I come from - a very brutal and vicious one - I would say that if crime has turned into anarchy, then drastic measures should be taken - however, this measure should only be taken if there is absolutely NO shadow of a doubt that the person cannot be rehabilitated ( Like child rapists and psychopaths) and they should be proven guilty with VERY conclusive and concrete evidence....The saying: An eye for an eye, actually means the punishment metered out should not supersede the crime and I am in agreement with that.

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+Revolucciona+

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Reply to: From the society that I come from - a very brutal and vicious one - I would say...
Definitely...We had someone who was the brother of a famous serial killer come to our College and give a little presentation against the death penalty...It was pretty amazing stuff that really makes you empathize with someone in that situation...And when it comes to mental disorders and stuff, everything tends to get really hazy...
And then on the other end, people who were killed for certain crimes were later found to be innocent...
I thought the idea of keeping someone in solitary confinement was a good idea..And it actually levels out to be cheaper than a capital punishment conviction and execution...
So, where do you come from??? Just out of curiousity...

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muscle_cars_only

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There should be repercussions for taking ones life! The majority of people "charged" do not end up on death row. Hell, they usually get a lot less time than a convicted drug dealer!!! I think 6 - 10 yrs for taking someones life is ludicrous. Our society will continue this revolving door until people are held accountable for their actions instead of putting the blame on society.

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cutiepie007

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Reply to: Definitely...We had someone who was the brother of a famous serial killer come ...
I am from South Africa, but now live in Norway - South Africa, as everybody should know is a very controversial place to have been brought up, but luckily my whole family are from Europe, so we were never brought up with that racist, notorious mindset - not that everyone is a racist in that country - mainly the Afrikaans speaking people (Dutch). Being a psych student, you probably know what happens to a society that has been so viciously oppressed and victimised - the society becomes an anomic one and respect for human life becomes non existent and very violent crime escalates - especially child and women abuse/rape as the men were emasculated back in those times due to the era and were unable to provide for their families efficiently and therefore felt a loss of power and masculinity, lending to the now high occurrence of rape and abuse. This is also a cultural thing too - women are meant to be more subservient and obedient, so men in turn think that it is their right to take a women sexually when ever, wherever, regardless. There is another fallacy in African mysticism and medicine, that AIDs can be cured by having sex with a virgin and babies are obviously all virgins, so they become targets. South Africa also has one of the highest concentration of psychopaths and mass murders and killings are the norm. As a matter of fact, the people have become so incredibly de-sensitised to violent crime, that they almost condone it as a part of life. Every person in that country has been touched or affected by it. When people break into your house to steal and you are there - they will torture you very slowly first and then kill you, which is merely a manifestation of the societal ills. People are impoverished and crime is seen as an acceptable way of life. The only way that will remedy that situation is a total overhaul of society - e.g. Free education, medical and acceptable housing to give everybody a decent running start in life and building up families, as so many were torn apart by apartheid. I used to write some psych papers for a friend of mine as she was usually a little behind with her work and got to do a lot of research and found it so sad, yet so very interesting, so I understand the stand point of rehabilitation as opposed to capital punishment - however, the prisons are filled to mass capacity, so they release a lot of dangerous criminals onto the streets again to make way for new ones and those criminals just go out onto the streets more hardened criminals and kill and mutilate more and more people. It has gotten to a point that there should be some DRASTIC intervention! Once the criminals know they are running the streets, the only thing that might get things under control is to issue an incentive that violent crime will NOT be tolerated AT ALL! South Africa is beyond beautiful, but the society in that country is in a state of anarchy. We have the highest women and child rape rates in the world and are among the top most violent societies in the world. Something has got to give and unfortunately drastic things call for drastic measures.....diabolical, but necessary!

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jem1987

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I think that capital punishment works in theory, but there are definitely bugs. It's difficult to hear when someone who was executed was later found to be innocent. Then again, no system will ever be perfect. So I find it hard to have a clear answer.

I do think there are people in this world that don't deserve to live, or in the very least, deserve extreme pain the rest of their lives. That may sound cruel to some people, but it's really no different than the idea of Hell.

I do feel some sympathy for those with mental illnesses, or histories of abuse. But most of these people are fully aware of what they were doing and that it was wrong. Otherwise they wouldn't try to hide bodies or trick children.

There has never been a pedophile rehabilitated, as far as I know. They teach them how to "control" their urges and how to stay away from triggers, but they always have the thoughts. And I'm sure we all know that serial killers never stop killing. These people should not be allowed to mingle with the general public.

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The Chino

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Point blank, anyone who has done the unthinkable once will do it again at some point. There is no rehabilitation process comprehensive enough for anyone to not want to ponder doing it again. I haven't seen it up to this point, and I can almost guarantee you that it won't happen anytime soon.

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cutiepie007

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Reply to: I think that capital punishment works in theory, but there are definitely bugs....
People who are proven beyond a shadow of a doubt with rock solid evidence - not circumstantial, but ROCK ROCK SOLID evidence only should be considered. What if there is anarchy and it is totally out of control and there are no longer any space in prisons......I think the prisons are something like 150% - 400% full to capacity in SA.....so they let other violent offenders free and give criminals minimal sentences to make way for new ones and they go back onto the streets more hardcore than before! I agree with mental patients, they should be attempted to be rehabilitated, but there are certain conditions that are too touch and go! Or they should be dumped on an Island far away from the rest of civilisation and let them sort each other out.....

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jem1987

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Let's just kill off 85% of the population and start over.

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The Chino

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Reply to: Let's just kill off 85% of the population and start over.
LOL. Sure, let's just create a full-scale nuclear explosion and we can start fresh from 1492.

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cutiepie007

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Reply to: Let's just kill off 85% of the population and start over.
Um.....that is extreme! There should be consequences to actions and the punishment should not supersede the crime - quite simple! If they can be rehabilitated, then they should be.......if not, then the death penalty should be considered, but every case should be evaluated separately on their actions and merits.

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*Sliver!*

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I agree, but lets boost it up to 90%.



This world is full of useless jackass people.

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muscle_cars_only

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Reply to: People who are proven beyond a shadow of a doubt with rock solid evidence - not...
Maybe our "SYSTEM" should offer a voluntary two week "what you need to know to live" course for convicted criminals. During that two week course teach them how to parachute. Load'em up on a plane,fly them to N.Korea and PUSH them out. Those that took the course have a clue of what is needed for landing survival, those that didn't Have a far less chance. We Give Kim Jong-il our proposal, to either back down or we'll make your life HELL. Either way we win!!!! I guarantee he wouldn't believe us,after he had to contend with the first 2-3k of new N.Korean citizen flunkies ,I bet he'd change his mind. Of course this tactic could be useful for others too...Iran,Iraq,Afghanistan etc.

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jem1987

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Well of course it's extreme, it's meant to be. Kind of a joke, ha ha...

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What Sanity

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If the government and the justice system was perfect, and honest then yes. People who do awful things should be evaluated. But its not perfect, its flawed. I also think they should be put in prisons without the luxury of walks, tvs, good food, free fucking education. They did bad things, with bad intentions they deserve to suffer. Killing them only ends their life before they learn. Also just because they learn doesn't mean they deserve to put back into society. But again proper evaluation, proper facilities.

But thats mostly a no for me.

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cutiepie007

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Reply to: If the government and the justice system was perfect, and honest then yes. Peop...
That depends on the social structure of a country.....

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What Sanity

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Yep, and I'm not the boss. So my opinion matters little.

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cutiepie007

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Reply to: Yep, and I'm not the boss. So my opinion matters little.
Of course your opinion matters - when you vote, every vote matters.

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What Sanity

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I disagree. I don't think my vote matters. It's never changed anything. Even if it did, I still think that any sort of government will eventually turn away from the things they said they would do.

Besides I don't trust society or the figure heads who are supposedly shaping our world. My stand point of course. If it offends, I am sorry.

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cutiepie007

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Reply to: I disagree. I don't think my vote matters. It's never changed anything. Even if...
I totally agree with you about not trusting our governments, but if EVERYBODY stands together, then they cannot deny it. People are more powerful than they think - they just need to stand AGAINST the government to make sure what they want is being implemented.

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What Sanity

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Very true!!!!

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HEART QUEEN

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I agree that we do not have a just system that is perfect. So imperfect that many mistakes are made including the taking of anther's life because of mistaken verdicts.I do believe in the eye for eye belief in that if someone commits a crime their punishment should be equal. But then is the verdict based on reasonable doubt? Or is it based on solid facts? Because even reasonable doubt can lead to an unjust verdict.

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sammilicious

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I definitely think the punishment should equal the crime, but as it's been stated the system is flawed, innocent people die , the guilty remain free. But I agree with capital punishment if not for that.

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+Revolucciona+

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Reply to: I disagree. I don't think my vote matters. It's never changed anything. Even if...
In a roundabout way, you are right. The electoral college is still in place, and that definitely makes a difference. Look it up.

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notreally

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I believe capital punishment for some crimes is justified. Too many people spend too much time and taxpayer money on death row. I say if a person is convicted of murder, child molestation or equilivant crimes they should be entitled to a speedy death just the same as they are entitled to a speedy trial. I realize a few innocent people might unjustly be punished but too many guilty ones play the system and get away with their crimes. I think it would be a deterent. I also dont believe that 16 yr olds should be treated as juviniles. They know full well what they are doing when they commit crimes and think they can get away with it because of their juvinile status.

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